For 24 years, renowned actress, Joke Silva
has been married to seasoned thespian, Olu
Jacobs. Being both in a profession where
marriages seem to be permanently on banana
peels, the timeless duo have sustained a near
effortless romance that has seen them handle
their marriage and turn it into a model for
other Nollywood personalities and pretenders
alike.
The mother of two, and elegant actress, is not
only adept in acting movies, she is also an
accomplished entertainer who would easily win
African Oscars, year in, year out.
In this interview, she reveals the secrets of
the staying power and success of her marriage.
Excerpts…
What are your success tips for people who want
to succeed in life like you?
The most important one is to make Christ the
bedrock of what you do. That way, you’ll have a
permanent guide in your choice of profession.
Secondly, you’ll get the values that are
important to succeed so that you can achieve all
the things that have been laid down in your
heart to achieve with as little stress as
possible because you are working with the Lord.
What is your definition of success and failure?
Success is doing the things that make you happy
without losing the people that matter to you
while failure is working at a job that is not so
fulfilling and losing all the important people
that matter to you.
Have you experienced failure?
I think I have experienced setbacks.
Can you give an instance?
Oh! Several; I can’t even begin to think about
them; wanting to expand my business, going into
a merger that never came through was a huge set
back but the Lord has taken one beyond that now
and people are wanting to merge with me.
What are the things that motivate you?
A lot of the time I find out that my motivation
is always wanting to create avenues for young
people to succeed and that is a real driving
passion for me. I know that when I started out,
there were so many avenues of work and towards
the 90’s, it all started drying up and then it
was a struggle for me to work. But now there is
load of opportunities like there are hundreds of
television stations, all screaming for content,
so there are avenues of work but how do these
young people break in; that is an important
factor. So, one is trying to create those
avenues, how to make it possible and then the
training for them to have the skills and values
to be able to break into the industry and abide
in the industry.
Can you tell a short story of how you started in
the industry?
I started out at the Lagos University performing
center and from there I went on to television,
from television to the national theatre. It was
after my experience that I felt I needed to get
some proper training, so I went to a drama
school in England. When I came back home, I got
involved in the mirror in the sun, second
chance, king must dance naked and my career just
took on wings of its own.
The trend for star actresses is divorce, how
have you been able to keep your home? Do we have
more divorce in Nollywood than in the other
industry? I think the amount in the
entertainment is not more than you find in any
other industry.
So, how have you been able to keep your home?
It’s God’s grace; I remember when we were
getting married that my husband said that ‘he
prays that God will always continue keep us as
friends’ and I have seen that friendship indeed
has helped us by God’s wonderful grace to be
together as one. We’ve been through some awful
challenges, some real terrible times that could
have led many other marriages crash and that’s
why I said the grace of God has come in because
usually whenever we face a tremendous challenge,
what happens is that the Lord then makes new
wine skin for us individually and he pours new
wine into the marriage.
Give us a defined step you took to protect your
marriage during this tremendous time?
I really can’t, I don’t think it is my place. I
believe that because individuals are different,
you will need to find how to maneuver yourself
in your relationship but I also believe that if
you get into the habit of asking the Lord to be
involved in every aspect of your marriage then
whatever challenge that comes you will be able
to handle it, because challenges must come
otherwise we don’t grow as individuals. If you
don’t have challenges then you don’t grow. We
don’t build on our strength so I believe the
Lord has to be the centre of every marriage and
no matter what it is we call on him, no matter
how we deviated from his principles when he
pulls us back and we listen to his guiding hand
then our home will work.
As a known and renowned actress, how do you see
the image of Nollywood falling from hero to zero
in this season of global meltdown?
No! It hasn’t. What is happening to Nollywood is
that it is going through a metamorphosis; there
is always a growth. I think Nollywood believes
that it sprang from nothing, which is always a
very dangerous position to be in, to think that
you are the creator, the beginning and
forgetting all the works that have gone on
before. If you think of the works that all the
Ogunde’s, Adelove’s and Eddie Ugboma; all these
people are the building blocks. If you think of
what they have put in place for us to even
realize that there is something like acting as a
profession, you will appreciate where we are
today. I mean they used to ride on bicycles to
go from one performance to the other, sometimes
they get to a performance place and it will be
the light from their bicycles that will be
shinning on the stage so that people could see
what they were performing.
These are people that have struggled; they have
dug the foundation for the industry. Nollywood
comes in and Nollywood now fills the foundation
Now the next thing is to start building, let’s
start putting blocks in place for the edifice we
want to create and that is the metamorphosis
that is happening now. There is no way we could
continue the way we were going, where only few
people have a strong hold on the industry and
these people are not people who really know the
industry. It was a matter and a commodity for
them, which is not bad because what they did was
to make people aware of the incredible market
that Nollywood has and they opened it for the
whole world to see what the entertainment
industry is capable of doing. I think that is so
fantastic but now we have come to the point
where we need to start doing the kind of project
that will make the rest of the world take
Nollywood seriously as an industry that has come
to stay.
How can Nollywood achieve this? We need to
tighten up, improve and get our skills into the
twenty-second century. Like we have our academy,
there are other people who have set up academy
of performing art, where we train people in all
the skills that are necessary for good radio,
camera and theatre production. We also have
techniques of writing for the camera, which is
different from writing for the theatre; a lot of
what we do at the moment is theatrical work for
television. We need to learn how to write
specifically for this medium of the camera. Just
like the technique of performing on stage is
different from acting in front of a camera, so
it is with writing. The guild has got to get a
stronger sense of responsibility to their
members. They also need a more devised set of
distributors and distribution network; that is
actually the key to the survival of the
industry.
Aside sex for roles, does tribalism or ethnicity
play any role in choice of giving out roles?
Well, I really would not say because I believe
that one of the most detribalized industries is
the entertainment industry. It’s your talent
that is the key. When you start insisting on
using people from the same tribe who do not have
the skills that you need then whatsoever it is
that you are doing will not be of the right
quality.
What mistake would you like to correct in your
life if you have the opportunity to rewind the
hand of time?
Getting my daughter to have the elective surgery
that she had and that she died from, that is one
that if I had the opportunity definitely I would
do.
How do you combine acting with the home front as
a good and caring mother?
Well, from having some of the most wonderful
teachers on earth to learn from, supermodels, my
mother Dr Mrs M A Silva, my aunty Chief Mrs Kofo
Olawoye, Princess Eniola Laoye, Late Chief Mrs
Oladapo and my mother’s sister Mrs Busola
Olumide. These women were my role models, they
were all women who had their own families, ran
large families and were all workers. I had to
learn from them how to put family first; they
were always at work in the hours of work and got
home after work. They were there for their
children. Often in the morning you are going to
the toilet and you see them at their desks
studying or working, those are the people I
learnt from because from them I knew it is a
possibility to be a working wife.
I have got a fantastic back up, my house help
has been with me for the past eight years, she
is like a house keep. And also my mother super
grand as we call her though she is much older
now but my friends still call her professional
mama, she is 83 and things are not that easy for
her now. I have got drivers, I mean everything
to make my life easy, moreover I have a husband
who is not forceful, he is also a home boy who
likes to potter around the house, he likes to be
given the opportunity to get into the kitchen.
At the moment, he does a lot of work in Asaba as
Igwe of Nollywood as he is known, but once at
home, he gets our last child ready for school,
it is his forte, nobody is allowed to rob him of
that opportunity because he loves it. When I say
getting the child ready, I mean seeing to how he
dresses right unto the lunch he’s taking to
school even helping select books that will be
used in school for that day, he organizes
everything and he doesn’t want to be robbed of
that. So, I have been really blessed.
How do you unwind and do you party?
I read a lot and I read anything. Right now, I’m
reading books on the history of Africa, just to
know how we got to where we are; I want to
understand how one of the wealthiest continents
on earth is so subjugated and I’m getting
answers. I also love watching television and I
also like going out to lunch with friends.
So after reading these books, what do you do
with the answers?
Sometimes I put them in plays like our film that
we did which was called the kingmaker, it was
actually stressing the importance of servant
hood of the ruling class. If you need to have a
godfather to get you into office, once in power
of incumbency, you can use it to cut the
apron-strings then serve the people and cut off
all these owing of allegiance to a godfather
that is milking the nation dry. That basically
is what the kingmaker was all about.
Unfortunately, we have not done any other one
since then because we said to ourselves that
until there is a proper distribution system in
place, we are not going to do any more films
because the amount of money needed to do films
properly is too much. It is capital intensive
and we cannot afford to be losing people’s
money. But now we have got a good film
distribution in place, we are going to start
again. We have got this monologue in five places
that some of my students are doing; it is called
‘what maketh a northerner’, it was a piece that
I saw in the Nation’s newspaper while in Abuja.
It’s a northern newspaper but if you hear what
this northern reporter is saying, it immediately
gives you a paradigm shift; there is nobody who
has heard it who said, God! I have never thought
of that. It is so well written and he placed the
Nigerian question as part of the black question,
giving his arguments and his resolution.
Do you keep pets and which is your favourite?
No, I’m allergic to pets.
What are the challenges in the professions?
A lot of them have got to do with funding,
getting the proper funding to do the work the
way it should be done. Like our academy for
example, it has come in place because it’s been
partnership with people. We are working with
Lareta learning centre that is where Lufodo
Academy of Performing Arts is housed in Kofo
Abayomi Victoria Island. The kind of funding
that is needed, somehow a lot of our bankers and
financial houses don’t get it, we cannot work
with short term funds, funding for film making
or theatre has to be long term. I find it very
frustrating that in Nigeria the only theatre
space that we have was renovated by Dr Amadi
Arama.
Now he has to leave the national theatre, it is
as if our government don’t get the importance of
this industry to growth of the nation and the
national theatre is about the only theatre that
is charging the kind of fees that makes is
possible for you to have plays that run for a
long time but it needs to be renovated and
that’s what Dr Arama was doing but now he has
left. All the other places that are available
for theatre are stupendously expensive, I was
privileged to work in several theatres in Canada
two years ago, I was playing one of the lead
character in a play called ‘have you seen
zendele’ by a theatre based in New York
University and I discovered that what we pay for
the cheapest theatre space in Nigeria per day is
what our counterparts pay for per week. So, you
see why our industry is struggling and this
payment our counterparts make includes dressing
room, light but in all of the spaces in Lagos
you will have to rate light, there are next to
no dressing room whatsoever. But these ones come
with light, technicians, with set, set-builders
you just tell them the set you want and they
build it for you at the cost of what we pay a
day with a space bigger than ours.
How can the industry be positioned to attract
foreign investment?
It is a dangerous thing to do. Nigeria is the
only country in the world that brings foreign
people into its media, nobody does that, and it
is too dangerous. Your media is where the mind
of your people is accessed; no country anywhere
in the world does it, check that. Even when you
are talking of theatre schools, you will find
that what they do is to give you space to carry
out auditions but won’t permit any kind of
investment even South Africa doesn’t.
Can there be any re-branding without the
entertainment sector?
No, I think the onus is on Nigerians in their
own little spare of inference to do what they
believe is right for their country because I
have moved away from where I blame the
leadership for everything. African on the whole
and Nigeria in particular, we have been very
unlucky with our leaders especially these
present crop of leaders who don’t realize that
they are there to serve but just think that they
are there to share the national cake and loot as
much money as possible.
However we allow it so we are just as guilty
because if I know you’ve killed somebody and I
still parley with you, I go out with you and
people see us together, am I not guilty? yeah!
That is what we do. Alamieseigha comes back from
stealing so much money from Bayelsa people,
making it impossible for children to go to
secondary school and we have a party for him,
Bode George has stolen N85b we go to the court
with gele and asoebi. Excuse me; we are just as
guilty; we are not as powerless people, are we?
It is just for us to say in my area of influence
this is what I can do and do it. It is like
throwing a pebble into a lake, you see the rings
as it keeps growing and they grow and grow,
which means throw your pebble you will find like
minds that will join you.
Were your parents in support when you went into
acting?
They were in support but they felt that for my
survival I should go into acting as a hobby, my
parents even chose schools that had history of
theatre arts like Holy-child for example after I
finished my primary school. So, my secondary
school was specifically chosen because they knew
I had a tradition for drama, the A-level school
I went in England was also chosen due to its
effect for drama.
Would you want any of your children to succeed
you?
They tend to. The babe of the family at the
moment definitely wants to be an actor while my
older one wants to go into film and directing.
How did you meet your husband?
I met him at the national theatre in 1981 at a
meeting. I was acting and I came to call the
artistic director of the national theatre to
come and watch our rehearsals and he was in a
meeting with the artistic director. I walked in
and he said this is the lady I’m going to marry
and I looked at him and thought what a stupid
common line, I hate him and five years later I
was married to him.
When you see your husband act those sexual roles
in movies, how do you feel?
I don’t get jealous because I do the same and to
make it feel real I immerse myself in the role
but once they say cut, I move on with my life.
The danger of the profession is to believe what
you are acting, if you are a follower of the
history of the industry you will know that those
kinds of relationships don’t last, it is the
energy of the movie that is carrying it.
