Ernest Obi is a household name in Nollywood.
As an actor and film director of note, he has
seen the good, the bad and the ugly of the film
industry and life itself. He has played major
roles in many epic home videos and has produced
a legion of others.
Being a star, Obi’s life is not devoid of
controversy, as other people in the
entertainment industry. One of the controversies
that dogged his life is his crashed marriage,
especially when his ex-wife accused him of
impregnating his stepdaughter severally and
subjecting the girl to several abortions.
Telling what could pass for a story of his life,
the actor, who is president of Actors Guild of
Nigeria, Lagos chapter, talked about his crashed
marriage, sex-for-role and sexual harassment in
the movie industry, the re-branding policy of
the Federal Government and his most embarrassing
moment.
Your face has been scarce on screen. What
happened?
Nothing really happened. There is always a stage
in life when you need to transit to the next
level, and that is what has happened all this
while. While in school, I majored in directing
but because of the love I have for acting I had
to start my career with acting. After a while, I
felt that instead of complaining about some of
the lapses being experienced in directing,
I should go into that aspect of the industry. I
have been directing movies, though, sometimes, I
act in movies, especially those I feel have
strong character base and good storyline. Beyond
that, I am the incumbent chairman of the Actors
Guild of Nigeria, Lagos chapter. I was elected
in 2007. So, it has been a bit hectic trying to
balance acting, directing with running the
guild, which is probably the largest guild in
Africa. And the state chapter is the largest
body. That is why I have been on the quiet side.
There is this complaint of lack of
professionalism in Nollywood. What is your take
on that?
I disagree totally with you. I don’t understand
what you mean by professionalism. People who
started from nothing are now making something
out of nothing. I think that is the height of
professionalism. Being a professional is not by
holding a PhD in a particular field.
It takes dedication and commitment to become a
professional. If you have PhD and you are not
dedicated to that field, you will fail. Anything
artistic, first and foremost, has to be innate.
If you don’t have something inside, you have
nothing to give. I think those who learn on the
job are the ones who are professionals, and not
those who are carrying all the degrees. I am not
saying it is not important to have a degree in a
particular field. But beyond the degree, you
must be dedicated to what you are doing. And
that is what our costume and make-up artists are
doing and I give them kudos for that. By so
doing, they are professionals.
Talking about costume, a king who is in his
palace at night taking dinner is seen putting on
his crown and beads. Must it be so?
That is drama and picture for you. Ask yourself
from the commercial angle, what does the
audience want to see? You must take that into
consideration. Do you want to demystify your
character by removing all those beads and the
crown? The truth about it is what the audience
wants to see. The king shouldn’t be played as an
ordinary man. Whether he is sleeping or not, he
should look like a king and that is what makes
it original. All those things you think are
abnormal are even what make the film worthwhile.
What about having story line that seems the
same?
We are coming from a background where everybody
knows the other person’s story. There is no
story I will tell in a home video that has not
been experienced in a particular area. Somebody
somewhere must have experienced it or heard of a
place it has happened or a person it has
happened to.
That is what makes it a true life story. It
might depict an Igbo cultural life, but in
another tribe it may have something to do with
an incident that must have happened there. That
is why when a story is told, just because you
can relate it to another; you say these people
are doing the same thing. The truth is, they are
not. It is because they are telling your story.
That is what makes it so unique and also why
people watch. You can watch American movies
where they are shooting guns, people are flying
and jumping but at the end of the day, it might
not stick at the back of your mind for a very
long time because you cannot relate to it. But
our people can predict how our movies would end
because we are telling our own story.
Again, we are Africans and our stories must end
well. It must end with good triumphing over
evil. In American films, it is not a rule for
them because I have seen movies where somebody
killed and walked away as the hero. You don’t
have to question them because it is their story.
They can give it a name and say it is dramatic
licence. But here, if you make the valiant the
hero, you will lose your audience immediately.
So, you must make the hero the good one and not
the valiant.
For instance, I can tell a story of a masquerade
from 10 different angles but the conclusion will
be that they are the same. At a time they said
we were showing rituals; yet they were watching
it because it captivates. That is the African
magic.
Why do the white men call Nigerian movie African
magic?
I don’t know why they call it African magic, but
I think they call it that name because we have
achieved a lot from nothing. We have had final
year students who came to write their projects
from Canada, Holland and France.
We have students in filmmaking who are writing
their final projects on how to shoot movies in
Nigeria and how to shoot low budget films in
Nigeria. As much as they criticize it, they also
sympathize with the condition under which we
work. They don’t believe that it is possible to
shoot and get a good product under such
conditions. We work and shoot movies under very
tedious and bad conditions for peanuts.
That is why they look at us and say with all
these stress and troubles; you can still produce
something like this? It must be African Magic.
Truly, it is the magical thing about Africa. I
don’t think it was meant to be derogatory.
Where does Nollywood come, as Nigeria is
re-branding?
How do you want to re-brand Nigeria? What is
re-branding Nigeria? I should tell you that the
policemen don’t take bribe anymore and that they
don’t wear slippers on the road? And that would
make me a good citizen of the country? That is a
lie or I should tell you that dead bodies are
not being left in the street corners? Or I
should tell you that evil things do not happen
in Nigeria, even though they happen in other
countries?
We cannot do that because it would amount to
telling lies. A film maker is supposed to depict
what happens around him. He is the mirror of the
society. Whatever you show is supposed to help
change the way society sees life. And that is
why, at the end of the day, good always triumph
over evil. You cannot tell me to lie to the
viewing audience because you want me to re-brand
Nigeria.
The question is, does Nigeria want to be
re-branded? Who is Nigeria? We are Nigerians. We
are also the one telling the story that there
are ritualists in our society. There are people
out there who believe that the only way to
become rich in life is to cut people’s heads and
use it for money rituals. They are there in our
midst. You can’t tell me not to put it in a
movie because we want to re-brand Nigeria. If
you toe the line of deceit, then the people who
are killing and beheading people would not stop
their evil acts.
So, to re-brand Nigeria, we must rise up to tell
ourselves the truth. The truth is that high
percentage of Nigerians lives under the poverty
line. They are poor and starving. Telling
ourselves the truth is what I know as
re-branding. However, I like the woman who is
behind the re-branding thing, Prof. Dora
Akunyili. I know what she did with NAFDAC. She
is a fire- brand.
She does not only talk; she takes action. But if
what I read on the paper about the money
released for the re-branding project is true,
then the exercise is a fallacy. What is she
suppose to do with that? That is not even enough
for a film fund where film makers can go to take
loan for their films, which will help in
re-branding Nigeria. Are they planning for her
to fail already?
That is why I said I want to believe it is a
rumour. If you want to re-brand Nigeria, you
should have a fund of N50 billion, which will
triple down to whoever needs it, instead of
giving N50 billion to the militants, to
gun-totting mad men. So, that is how re-branding
should start.
What about the Vision 2020 project? Where does
the entertainment industry come in?
I don’t even know what Vision 2020 is about.
These visions would not put food on my table
right now and will not make me proud to say I am
a tax payer. Any vision that will not make me
proud to say that I have a child in the school
in Nigeria and cultism is on zero level is no
vision. My parents used to tell me how they used
to live at Abulenla, on Lagos Island, and that
you could actually put a mat outside and sleep
till morning without anybody touching you, not
to talk of removing your wristwatch.
That is the kind of Nigeria I want to see. That
is the kind of vision I want to hear. I don’t
want to wait till 2020, like we were told to
wait till 1999-2000. Now, they are talking about
2020. We have jumped from becoming missionaries
to blind men. Are we in a trance? Very soon, we
will all be blind. We need an intellectual
revolution, as the only way to help clear this
mess we are in.
Intellectual revolution? In what ramification?
First, we need a change. Second, we need to
challenge our leaders, especially the local
government chairmen, to execute projects that
will touch lives positively. I love the way the
Rivers State governor has been challenging his
local government chairmen to action.
They shouldn’t just sit down and look. The
governors, having done everything, what do they
now do with their money? In Lagos State also,
Fashola is virtually doing everything. I have
not seen the impact of the local government
chairmen. What they do is to clear some rickety
gutters and go home to sleep. You see them
establishing filling stations everywhere.
Tell me what they need all that for. Somebody
who used to be a guard or tout is now a
councillor, a person who is not even
intellectually sound enough to govern his own
home has become a local government chairman.
Such a person has nothing to offer. We need an
intellectual revolution, where the
right-thinking people, who are after the welfare
of the society, are placed in a position. Such
people, like Gani. He died fighting. He died
speaking. I watched his last interview on
television.
You could barely hear him. It was a whisper, but
the man was still fighting. He wasn’t perfect,
but he lived for what he believed in. That is an
intellectual revolution. Gani was celebrated
more than Michael Jackson by the Nigerian press.
I was shocked. It means the man made an impact,
even though the political nature of Nigerians
will always wait for the person to die before
showering praise on him. In all, he did his own
best to turn things around.
There is an allegation that directors sleep with
actresses before giving them roles. What is the
true state of things?
There is also an allegation that most managing
directors in some companies also sleep with
people they want to employ before they give them
jobs. There is an allegation in banks that the
branch managers or the managing directors also
insist on sleeping with members of staff before
they get any appointment. There is also an
allegation in the Nigerian Police that before
any female police officer is promoted she has to
sleep with the Commissioner of Police, the IG,
DIG, AIG, and others. They are all allegations.
It is in every facet of the society.
Thank God I did not hear the word, rape. As the
chairman of the Actors Guild of Nigeria, Lagos
chapter, we usually tell our people that we are
always there to protect their interest. But when
you throw your interest out of the window,
first, we might not have a say. Somebody says
come to my hotel room to pick up your script by
10pm. What are you going there to do in a man’s
hotel room by that time of the night? You have
no business in a hotel room. By accepting that
invitation, you are asking for trouble. You are
invited for a role and you are almost naked, it
is trouble.
Even though she has the right to dress the way
she likes, it tells a lot about her. If a man
wants to give you a role and he touches your
buttocks, you did not say anything, and when he
didn’t give you the role, you scream blue
murder. Who is fooling who? When he taps your
back, slap him and raise alarm, then, we can
step in because that is molestation. Most times,
people always say that directors are harassing
them, but you will be shocked to find out that
they are the ones actually harassing the
directors. They tell them that they are ready to
do anything for the roles. It is the same thing
in companies and banks. Some people are willing
to compromise to rise to the next level and most
times, they don’t rise anywhere. They are five
minutes fame that ends after five minutes.
Why do directors keep on casting the same set of
people?
It is based on commercial angle. We don’t have a
government that is interested in the plight of
the film makers. There is no film fund where you
can go to borrow money. When individuals put
their money into business, they expect to get it
back.
They would want to know from the marketers who
are the hottest actresses in the market. So,
when you are given such names, like Rita
Dominic, Stella Damascus, Ramsey Noah and the
rest, you will want to get them because, they
are the people the audience wants to see. You
can cast one or two upcoming ones to join them,
but you need to have the people that the
audience wants to see.
If not, you will buy your movies yourself. When
we grow beyond the position of individuals
investing their money in films, to a level of
having a film funds, where you can get
N20million to produce films and take them round
Africa and to film festivals, then you can use
anybody, as long as the person is a member of
the guild. Not when it is just Idumota and Iweka
alone. I have to get my money back and do a
turn-over to start another movie. So, there is
no room for experiment.
In that regard, what is the hope of the upcoming
artistes?
Yes, they must struggle as hard as other people
did. Genevieve Nnaji did. She struggled hard to
be where she is today. People thought that she
just started and became a star. She came into
the industry at the time when it was not in
vogue to use dark skinned people.
But she persevered and when it was her time,
people discovered that she was a fantastic
actress. The same thing is applicable to every
other person. Uche Jumbo has been around for
years but her star started shining just a few
years ago. I could go on and on. If you cannot
persevere, after a few months, you will give up
and start shouting that they want to sleep with
you.
AGN had problem before their election, what was
the cause?
I have said it severally that I do not want to
join or personalize an issue that has to do with
the growth of the guild. My major concern as the
chairman of the Lagos Chapter is to fulfill my
mandate. The fact remains that the former
president of the guild in the person of my very
good friend and brother, Mr. Ejike Asiegbu, came
into the office in June 2005, which was supposed
to end in 2007.
After alteration of the constitution by himself,
he got an extension on his tenure via his new
constitution for one year which ended in 2008.
That was where the problem started. Now that the
election has been conducted, I believe
everything will come back to normalcy.
How did you become the chairman of the guild?
Some years ago, I ran for this same position,
but I didn’t win because, I was told I would not
win. Then I came into the race a day to the
expiration of the sales of the form. I had
discovered some discrepancies; I felt I had
failed in my duty as a member, having endorsed
the people running without investigating their
pedigree. At that time, I did not even have the
money to buy the form. Somebody had to buy it
for me.
While lamenting over the situation, somebody
said, “why not correct it by joining the race?”
And I joined. That was the toughest election for
the Lagos chapter. Unfortunately, I lost. This
time round, people said it was long overdue and
unanimously they voted for me massively.
In Nollywood, one person is the actor, director,
costumier and even the make-up artist. Why is
there no specialization or division of labour in
the industry?
If you have anybody who has that acronym
attached to his name that is very stupid. You
can have a producer who is also a director and
an actor. But when he goes into costume and
make-up, it becomes ridiculous. It means he
doesn’t know what he is doing. However, you can
have producer-director-actor who may not
actually direct but employs the service of a
second, third and an assistant director, who
will actually do the job. It happens all over
the world, even in Hollywood.
Are there professional script writers in
Nollywood?
Yes. Taye Emeka Obasi, Reginald Ebere, Yinka
Ogun, who writes for BBC, etc, are all script
writers and members of the Script Writers’ Guild
of Nigeria. This is what they do for a living.
Kidnapping has crept into Nollywood. Why are
actors the target?
I don’t think they actually meant to kidnap
Uncle Pete Edochie. I think it was just a
mix-up. If you kidnap me, who will pay? We are
currently going through depression. That was why
Uncle Pete said he did not know who gave the
kidnappers N10 million, as they claimed.
We are the mirror of the society and not the
problem. The problem of this country is that the
public servants are siphoning money into their
private pockets instead of creating avenues for
employment. If we start showing that in the
movies, they will say we are not painting a good
image of the country. Now, in the Niger Delta,
they are sharing money to the so-called
militants.
What is the difference between them and those we
call criminals in Onitsha and Abia? Are they not
doing the same thing? Let them offer the same
olive branch to the people in Onitsha and Abia.
If the government should say today it has N10
billion for them to surrender their guns, they
will return trailer loads because we have more
guns there than we have in Niger Delta. They may
not be as sophisticated as their own, but we
have more. So, we are the problems of the
kidnappers.
How has the government assisted the film
industry?
Whatever anybody is doing is on personal
grounds. The black man naturally is a selfish
breed. Every average Nigerian is a hypocrite. He
talks stuff but when he is in a position of
authority, he blanks. He turns his back on you.
He thinks of himself first.
We have actors, filmmakers who are in
government; we have scriptwriters who are in
government and have not done anything for the
industry that brought them where they are. It is
after they have left office that they will
realize that they have no where else to go. That
is just their jurisdiction and they would want
to come back. That is what we are telling them
now.
If you are not a member of the guild and you
die, you are on your own. A lot of people are
taking us for granted. There are other
professional bodies whereby if you are not a
member, you cannot identify with them. We have
been doing it in the past but this time around,
we are going to be very strict.
From your own perspective, who is a star?
A star is that person who has paid his dues; who
is publicly recognized by the audience and has a
strong fan base. He must be an extremely
fantastic person. But then, stardom has
categories and it is so everywhere.
Have you worked with other professional artistes
outside this country?
With all humility, they have not had the
opportunity to work with me.
Why have you not gone into music, like your
colleagues?
Well, my musical career starts and ends in my
house. I can sing round the house from the
kitchen to the living room, and it ends at that.
When did you hit the fame?
I don’t know because I started from stage. From
stage, I went into television. I think what
actually sent me into limelight was the role I
played in a film called The Glamour Girls. I was
given the responsibility of cooking in the
kitchen and washing my girl’s pants. And I did
it perfectly that I got the fancy of filmmakers.
After that it went on and on.
Do you think you have arrived at the peak of
your career?
No, I have not even gone half way. Is it with
this state of the country and its economy? I
need to be able to buy a car for myself, my
mother, buy property, open schools and others
without shaking. With the way things are in
Nigeria, one need to sit up to survive.
A situation whereby a man is eating and he is
thinking at the same time, whether if he had
finished the reserve left at home is not a
healthy one. There is no money in this country
and majority of the people are crying. Yet, the
banks were giving N88billion to individuals. To
be frank, I have not arrived at the peak of my
career at all because I still have a long way to
go.
Was there a time you thought you went into the
wrong profession?
No. I couldn’t have done anything better than
what I am doing now. I am fulfilled with it. It
is a dream come true. I was once a manager in a
shipping line and I also had the opportunity of
running a company, but I was never happy.
Nothing in life would have made me happier than
acting.
Was there a time your parents thought or felt
you chose the wrong career?
Initially, my mum thought so. They thought I was
too intelligent to be acting. They thought I
should be outside the country where my sisters
are. I am extremely stubborn, so when they
realized I was bent on doing it, they left me
alone and today, my mum is enjoying it..
Pains and gains of fame
You cannot balance it out. Sometimes, it paves
way for you but at other times, it becomes the
reason why you will be hated and humiliated.
There are occasions where police will recognize
you and allow you to pass but there are days
when they will be stubborn simply because they
feel you are pompous. People also disrespect you
because they feel your feeling is that you are
better than them even when you don’t feel so.
Sometimes, someone may call you when you are
sleeping and if you tell him or her to call
back, they pick offence. I can go on and on.
What is the most embarrassing moment of your
life?
They are many, but the most of them all was the
one that made me defy the point that I was
mature. I was pushed to the wall and it got me
thinking of murder. It was the problem I had
with my ex-woman, though, we were not
traditionally married.
We broke up in 2007 and she moved to London. I
think she heard that I wanted to get married and
she decided to grant interview to the press and
said that the reason we separated was that my
daughter, a girl I trained from when she was two
to 18years old was my bed mate. She said I was
sleeping with her for years, got her pregnant
severally and did D&C several times to her. I
almost died. When I got there, they asked what I
had to say and I said nothing because I didn’t
want to join issues.
Two days later, she called me to apologize that
the reason she did that was because she was
angry. I simply told her to go back to the press
to tell them the truth. But she said she could
not face the world. And I could not go round the
world also to tell them it was a lie. So, it has
been like that until now.
What could have been her reason for doing such?
I don’t know and I don’t want to know. It is no
longer important. I have moved on with my life.
The incident really made me not to trust anybody
and it affected my relationship with my fiancé.
For whatever reason, she did that, let God judge
between the two of us.
What was your reaction then?
The day I heard of it, I didn’t know what to do
at first because I was confused. Absentmindedly,
I went into a church and walked straight to the
pulpit and started telling them what I was
passing through. The pastor, when he recognized
me, gave me a smile but I did not reciprocate
because my heart was heavy. Tears were coming
down from my eyes.
He told the congregation to stand up and pray
for me and they all prayed. They advised me to
leave everything in the hands of God. And that
was exactly what I did. I really thanked that
pastor and my fiancé who stood by me. Her
friends were mocking her but she kept telling
them that I could not do such a thing.
She believed in me. Her family and mine believed
I did not do it. That was my strength. Another
thing she did was to keep telling me to forgive
my ex and today, I have forgiven her from the
depth of my heart. Before now, I was having BP
but since I forgave her sincerely, I have
started sleeping well.
What do you think is the reason marriages are
crashing especially among artistes?
Marriages are breaking everywhere and it is not
restricted to artistes alone. Is it because we
are on the limelight? The famous people out
there get married today, spend millions on their
wedding and six months later, it is over.
Marriages break up everyday and ours are not
different. I always tell people not to get into
a relationship out of pity. It is the worst
thing you can ever do to yourself. Marriage
break up in every facet of life in the society
so, the press should not over-blow it when it
comes to Nollywood.
What attracted you to the lady you want to
marry?
It is the fact that she does not see me as an
actor. She sees me as her husband, friend and
above all, someone she can talk to. If I make
the wrong move, she tells me straight to my face
without blinking and not minding if I am angry
or not. She is one person who can, although
sometimes, may over do it, tell me when I am
wrong. She is a very principled person, down to
earth and believes in me. It is not just saying
I love you. Love is not enough most time but for
the person to believe in you.
Any marriage intention?
We are looking at having the traditional
marriage in December. Although we are having an
argument that December is not a very good time
for people to attend functions. However, we are
looking into it.
Where did you meet her?
She came to register to act about seven years
ago. I saw her and told her not to act. She
asked why because she had already paid for the
form. I said don’t act and that was how the
whole thing started.
Was the other lady still in your life then?
No. We have had our problems then and it was
obvious that we were separated.
Does your previous lover have children for you?
Yes. She has two children for me. She is in
England with them.
Do you talk with them?
I think I will start doing that now that I have
forgiven her. I discussed with my fiancé and she
doesn’t have problem with that. I don’t want to
bring the children issue into this because at
the end of the day whatever you say might affect
them.
What part of your fiancée’s body appeals to you
most?
Every part of her body appeals to me. If you see
her, you will understand what I am saying. She
is an angel and the love of my life.
What does she do?
She works with an IT firm, here in Lagos. She
studied Linguistics and majored in French.
Can you tell us your family and educational
background?
My father was the Oba 1 of Ukpor, in the person
of Chief Dara Onyia Egwu. He married many wives
but my mum was the first. I attended Onward
Nursery and Primary School, Surulere, and
Baptist Academy Secondary School. From there, I
went to the University of Ife, where I studied
Dramatic Arts and majored in directing.
How was growing up among your sisters like?
It was fun. I was my daddy’s pet. I slept on his
bed till I grew up even while still in secondary
school. He helped me to have focus. I was
extremely comfortable while growing up. I thank
God for my life because I almost became a girl.
My sisters dotted on me. They were so nice to me
and they were dressing me up as a girl. They
thought I looked like a girl. So, they would
always want to apply lipstick on me until my
mother came back from the U.S. and screamed that
they wanted to turn her only son to a girl.
How do you see women?
I respect women a lot. If I am walking down the
road and I see a man beating up a woman, I will
die there defending the woman. Maybe, it is
because I grew up among women. However, women
are the most difficult species on earth. Men
also are generally childish. We love attention.
We want to be pampered even when it is not
necessary. Women, on the other hand, are so
complicated that you don’t start unraveling
them. You take it a piece at a time. Women are
like a piece of cloth together, and you want to
pick out one in the middle without rumpling it.
If you are in a hurry, you will rumple it all.
So, you take it one piece at a time until you
get to that one.
Have you been sexually harassed before?
You get sexually harassed everyday but it
depends on what you mean by sexual harassment.
It comes in stages and levels. Some will call
you on phone and say all sorts of things and you
will know where the conversation is going. Some
will come half-naked and some will come outright
and tell you that they want to sleep with you.
It comes everyday but I always tell myself that
I am not capable of doing it because I believe
that when you sleep with a woman, there is a
transfer of spirit. That is why they say that
those who have much sexual knowledge of
prostitutes have the tendency not to succeed in
life because there is a lot of transfer of
spirits from various angles.
So, are you saying that for seven years now you
have dated your fiancée that you have not slept
with another woman?
I don’t know where the woman is. There is no
perfection in life but I am blind in that
regard. I see only her.
What are your likes and dislikes
I love people who are creative, people who are
artistically gifted. It is a great honour. I
hate lies, no matter how bad a thing may be,
just tell me the truth and I will forgive you.
